Decrease your dependence on offshore hooks, it’s all the rage

The Singlebarbed Carp flavor You’d think there’d be more fly fishermen given a child’s glee at throwing pennies in fountains. That early lesson may have given you the yen to throw quarters and dollar bills with every cast.

Fly tiers throw quarters – with little remorse for the other fellow who’s buying flies; we’re not certain he isn’t paying less than we do, what with our gargantuan collection of moth food, decaying flesh, and the angry spouse that comes with that turf.

As is Singlebarbed practice, we eat what we preach – and while a gear review might trigger a salivary response, reviewing all that flowery prose a season later is always more informative than first blush.

A practice conspicuously absent in our industry..

The demise of the Partridge hook company (assimilated by Mustad) marked the end of hook variety, as small hook makers would risk a limited run of specialty hooks; akin to Keith Fulsher’s Thunder Creek Streamer hook, (6X long, ring eye), the Carrie Steven’s streamer hook, (10X long, heavy wire), the Partridge Bartleet single salmon hook, and oddities – like the Yorkshire Flybody hook.

In an economic downturn, what sells is stocked – and variety suffers. As only the largest makers remain, and we’re gripped in the bosom of economic upheaval, expect plenty of standard dry and nymph wire, and damn little else.

I’ve been looking for alternative vendors for some time, as many are overseas, and hampered by a declining dollar, the search has been largely fruitless. Competition fly fishing is adding some variety to the mix; kirbed and/or barbless hooks – but most are in the same vein – standard dry and nymph wire – with a Czech variant thrown in due to recent popularity.

I’m stymied. The variety we’ve seen in the past two or three decades has largely vanished.

Unhappy with the traditional favorites due to their spiraling cost, this season I switched to Togen hooks ( of Togen Enterprises, Canada ) for my traditional flies. They’d made a favorable impression on the first blush – and are available at significant discount compared to the normal fly shop fare.

They look identical to the Tiemco/Gamakatsu/Daiichi fodder, boast the same chemical sharpness, cost about a third of normal, and fish extremely well. I would describe their cosmetic blemish rate as slightly higher than Tiemco or Daiichi, but blemishes aren’t defects – and the hook is unaffected.

The points are nearly bulletproof, and with a lot of rock hopping, heavy water split shot use – and the inevitable rock snags that result – I’ve failed to bend or break any of them. None were prematurely dismembered due to barb pinching, and only their Scud hook will crack the barb (suggesting forging) – versus the traditional soft-mash-to-flat of the unforged hook.

Searching for a heavy wire hook for Carp has been largely fruitless, so the Togen Scud hook; heavy wire, forged bend, kirbed (offset) shank, is my default for Carp and Bass flies.

Kirbed hooks have never enjoyed much popularity with fly anglers, but that’s all changing. Competition hooks are reintroducing Kirbed shanks as a means of increasing hook gape (the distance between shank and point) – due to the increased bulk of heavily weighted Czech nymphs.

The Togen Scud has a fine offset (kirb) of about 6-8 degrees, not enough to notice when tying the fly (requiring you to reposition the vice head).

Togen is most accommodating in their sales – covering both the casual and professional tier. Lots of 1000 can include different sizes and hook styles to qualify for reduced price. $68 dollars per mixed lot of 1000 (traditional trout styles only), and that decreases to $58 for 1000 hooks of a single size and style.

Considering that Tiemco hooks after taxes can range to nearly $18 per 100, you get 1000 hooks for the price of 3 boxes of the traditional fare. Pretty darned compelling, you’re throwing dimes versus quarters, and every little bit helps.

Togen lacks the variety available from major manufacturers, but I’m finding that variety is lacking in many of the largest fly shops, which are stocking the traditional Tiemco 100 / 3769 stuff in quantity – and very little else.

I like taking my business to an agile “little guy” – rewarding that customer focus and entrepreneurial spirit that’s also vanishing with each small shop closed.

Good hooks, great price, and I can’t imagine you not being happy at the outcome.

7 thoughts on “Decrease your dependence on offshore hooks, it’s all the rage

  1. oatka

    I bought the 1000 pack a few months ago, and although I haven’t tied a ton on them yet, I do like them enough to go with them next time I need to stock up. The small blemish (or the occasional hook without an eye…yes, I got one of those) isn’t enough to turn me away especially since the price is great and the company has been a pleasure to work with!

  2. harry

    Thanks for revisiting this subject. I had seen your reference to Togen before, but forgot to write it down. A while back you also referenced sources for beadheads-what’s new on that subject?

  3. KBarton10

    Oatka, I haven’t run into any eyeless hooks yet, plenty of finish blems. Nothing structural so far.

    Harry: I’ve been using regular brass and copper beads from the beading industry, about $14 per thousand. Their holes are smaller than fly tying beads so the shank-bend-style determines whether they can be used. Model perfect allows the bead to slide fine – but a Sproat will catch the bead at the bend.

    Most of the tying beads (tungsten, etc) are made in China, so the value of the dollar affects their price. Initially they were $40 per thousand of tungsten – then the dollar went into free fall…

    I haven’t requoted their price since, as I know it’s quite a bit more. I’m looking for a domestic source of copper/brass/silver that has at least a 2mm hole. Still researching them.

    TopMim is the Tungsten source:
    http://www.asianproducts.com/product_8/tungsten-bead_P11816349406818391.htm

  4. KBarton10

    Buy some to test – then go whole hog if you like them, it’s always safest … I bought 1000 broken up in different styles and sizes as my initial order – then bought more later.

  5. Jean-Paul Lipton

    KB, have you bought any of the stainless salmon hooks? Those scud hooks look fine, but a little light for my taste, only 1X strong. I like 2X strong or heavier for roughfish, especially carp.

  6. KBarton10 Post author

    I have not yet tried the stainless salmon hooks, I’ve tried all the trout wire. I still have a ton of the old 34007 Mustads.

    You need 2X because you actually catch fish, I only need 1X as I only TALK about catching fish.

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